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GeordiePSVfan
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Reg.: 13 april 2006 |
I've just been reading the statement from PSV on the official website saying how his comments were totally unacceptable and he will be dealt with by the club internally.
What did he actually say in the magazine to cause such an outrage and what to the PSV supporters on your side of the North Sea think of all this? Bad timing in what has been an amazing week for us all.
As a side note it was reported in some English newspapers earlier this week that Arsenal are prepared to pay £12m for him.
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Levi Bottle
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Well, basically, he called Jan Reker a liar. Jan Reker supposedly promised a couple of things to other players such as Reis and Aisatti and Gomes doesn't approve of that. But it's an even bigger issue, because Lemic, who handles the interests of a couple of PSV players (Aisatti, Fagner, Gomes, Reis, Rajkovic, Lazovic and Mendez), interfered in the process. At least, this is what Reker thinks. Reker and Lemic are not really friendly to one another. So it has become a "who said what" game. It's very sad that Gomes went publicly with his opinion for the second time this season. But he clearly states it's either him out or Reker out.
So, in a nutshell, there's a lot of ambiguity within PSV. It has come to the point where there are two 'teams' fighting each other with words.
More to follow.
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Roel!
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Reg.: 6 augustus 2005 |
In one sentence:
Gomes said: 'If Reker doesn't leave PSV, I will leave PSV'.
What I think? Reker is doing some things wrong. He is not being fair to players like Cassio, Jonathan and Aissati. (according to Gomes, we can't judge those cases)
Like Levi Bottle said, it's sad that Gomes went public with his critics.
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NilisForPresident
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Reg.: 12 maart 2000 |
The real problem at this moment is the influence Fifa-agent Lemic has at PSV. He basically took care of a whole lot of transfers PSV did over the last couple of years and now his influence has grown so much that he is frustrating our scouts by bringing forward his own players instead of the ones that the PSV-scouts come up with.
Now there's a conflict between our director Jan Reker and Lemic because Reker wants to eliminate the influence that Lemic has because he thinks it's a very unhealthy situation for the club. Lemic seems to have used Gomes (who is one of Lemic' players) as he is a very popular player amongst the fans to turn the public opinion against Reker, so Lemic can stay at PSV and Reker gets sacked.
In my opinion, Reker has made a lot of mistakes in his first year as a director but the Lemic-problem is much bigger and much more unhealthy for the club. The best thing would be tot cut off every Lemic influence at the club and if that means Gomes has to move than that is a sad thing but it has to be done.
[Dit bericht is veranderd door NilisForPresident (op 25 april 2008 16:11:49).]
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1991707312
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Reg.: 16 oktober 2003 |
One thing is certain in all of this: what has been published so far in the press is nowhere near the whole story. Geordie will be all too familiar with board room wranglings given his location.
I don't know what exactly is going on, nor do any of the other fans or press to be honest, but it looks like a similar power battle to when Guus Hiddink recommended Fred Rutten and René Eikelkamp to follow up from him as trainer, and PSV supervisory board member (and ex-president of Philips) Jan Timmer pushed the nuclear button.
We then got Ronald Koeman and we know where that ended.
Huub Stevens (next year's manager and the real Koeman replacement) is a proper PSV man in heart and soul. He is also a very tough guy and a long time trusted friend of Jan Reker (General Director of PSV).
It may even be a continuation of that same battle.
So I hope that the club can sort out all this quietly and internally over the Summer.
PSV is a family type club. Families sometimes have internal fights. But it is definitely not PSV's style to hang out the dirty washing in the press. Especially not straight after becoming Champions. And if someone has to go to guarantee the long term health of the club, then so be it, no matter who it is.
I wasn't too impressed with Stan Valckx as Technical Director compared to say Frank Arnesen (now at Chelsea), but I'm not sure anyone could have performed any better in the last period. There've been a few "poorer" signings recently (Dzsudzsak excepted of course), whereas PSV is justly famous for its talent scouting.
BTW if you look on the English wikipedia, you'll find most if not all of these names....
[Dit bericht is veranderd door 1991707312 (op 26 april 2008 20:39:25).]
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Levi Bottle
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Geordie, need any updates?
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GeordiePSVfan
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Reg.: 13 april 2006 |
quote:
Levi Bottle schreef:
Geordie, need any updates?
I check the official website every day so I think i'm up to date with it although they don't always put everything on the English page so I don't know if there's been anything further happened that I don't know about.
If you know of anything that PSV haven't put on the website it would be great if you could post it on here. Cheers pal.
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lempkesfabriek
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Reg.: 26 november 2004 |
Gomes continue stand behind its words: Reker out or I’m leaving.
Valckx (TD) has no confidence in Reker
Piet de Visser (scout) wants no longer work for PSV as Reker is “Chairmanâ€.
Aissati do not want extend his contract
Farfán and Mendez remain longer on holiday.
Etc, etc.
Clown Reker continues sit with the support of Schuitema (Council of commissioner).
‘Supportersverenging PSV’ supports Reker,...
...and (at least) 90% of the people here want Reker to leave the club.
I do not think that you read that on psv.nl
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Dump
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quote:
lempkesfabriek schreef:
Gomes continue stand behind its words: Reker out or I’m leaving.
Valckx (TD) has no confidence in Reker
Piet de Visser (scout) wants no longer work for PSV as Reker is “Chairmanâ€.
Aissati do not want extend his contract
Farfán and Mendez remain longer on holiday.
Etc, etc.
Clown Reker continues sit with the support of Schuitema (Council of commissioner).
‘Supportersverenging PSV’ supports Reker,...
...and (at least) 90% of the people here want Reker to leave the club.
I do not think that you read that on psv.nl
"90% of the people here want Reker to leave the club." That's obviously your opinion and not the opinion of 90% of the supporters! By far most supporters are not sure what to think about the situation.
* It's obvious that most supporters think that Gomes shouldn't have gone public with his opinion!
* It's also obvious that most supporters hope that despite this, he will stay!
* It's also obvious that most supporters think that the role of Lemic is very disputable and Reker has a very good point in putting his questionmarks behind that!
* And finally it's obvious that most supporters agree on the fact that Reker has made some big mistakes in his communication with both players and press.
Summarizing: By far most supporters do NOT have such a clear opinion as you are stating here! They actually do not really know what to think about it. However, an increasing amount of people has been choosing Jan Reker's side in the last couple of days! The PSV netwerk is not really representative for the general supporter's opinion.
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lempkesfabriek
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Twan van Osch
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Both figures mean absolutely nothing. I get the impression that more and more people are supporting Reker the last few days.
But as always: the fanatic fans who want something done (eg Reker out) will sign a petition, the other supporters either have another opinion but/or don't bother to sign anything. So it's logical that there are more GO-voters.
To get a more realistic view, one could ask all ticketholders to vote yes or no. But then again: who cares and therefore why bother. The RVC will do what they think is best. I'll wait, trust and see.
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1991707312
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Reg.: 16 oktober 2003 |
quote:
Dump schreef:
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"90% of the people here want Reker to leave the club." That's obviously your opinion and not the opinion of 90% of the supporters! By far most supporters are not sure what to think about the situation.
* It's obvious that most supporters think that Gomes shouldn't have gone public with his opinion!
* It's also obvious that most supporters hope that despite this, he will stay!
* It's also obvious that most supporters think that the role of Lemic is very disputable and Reker has a very good point in putting his questionmarks behind that!
* And finally it's obvious that most supporters agree on the fact that Reker has made some big mistakes in his communication with both players and press.
Summarizing: By far most supporters do NOT have such a clear opinion as you are stating here! They actually do not really know what to think about it. However, an increasing amount of people has been choosing Jan Reker's side in the last couple of days! The PSV netwerk is not really representative for the general supporter's opinion.
I think this is a pretty neutral and fair assessment of the situation.
Meanwhile some good news: Aj@x (The S*nderl*nd of the Netherlands) have just lost to Twente and will play UEFA Cup next season.
On the short term this could indirectly be good news for PSV: If Twente fail in the CL qualification round and fdo not make the groups stage, 100% of the Champions League TV money for the Netherlands will go (once again) to PSV.
This is a piece of natural justice, because it was an Aj@cied who originally came up with the dumb play off system, whilst PSV was the only team to fight against its introduction.
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dpram
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It's really incredible how far this has gone. I guess there's just one possible solution, which is: Fire both Gomes and Reker.
The mess started when Schuitema started to stick his ugly nose into PSV more prominently. And Reker just finished it off. Terrible people, those 2.
When it comes to Gomes: I wish he could stay... really. But I guess it just wouldn't be very wise anymore.
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Tilburgse Boer
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O please. Reker is the only one who dares to have the confrontation with Lemic. Lemic is the one you should hate. Reker lacks tact, but he's doing the right thing. Do you like the way Lemic works? Lemic might have been important in the past, but his role is out of proportion now.
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1991707312
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The dirt is still coming out. And there's lots of it.
There is a long piece in the NRC about PSV. It is called "How a Serbian agent gained control of PSV." NRC is a serious newspaper with professional journalists, so there is probably at least an element of truth in the story.
It does indeed appear that the battle goes back around 9 years. I suspected this went back to the spat between Hiddink and Timmer, but apparently it goes all the way back to when Gerets became trainer.
I can't translate the whole article here, but it basically says that there have been two camps in PSV for a long time that have just about tolerated each other.
There was the side of the board, which mainly has a commercial (Philips) company background, versus the group Lemic who was initially introduced into PSV via Gerets and has a more football background.
The paper alleges that the whole situation was forced by the Serbian business man Lemic. I say "business man" because as far as I know, he isn't a registered UEFA agent.
Lemic brought and sold a number of players for PSV (to be fair some good like Kezman Alex and Gomes, and some not so good.) According to the article he had an unhealthy influence over a large group of players and brought pressure to bear on various trainers and managers. Westerhof found a lot of things in these transfers and payments that he did not like and that looked to him like a conflict of interest. It doesn't say that there was anything in any way illegal. But the supervisory board and Hiddink did not back Westerhof when he tried to clean this up. Reker then took over, and brought in Vergoosen as his trainer, but this time the board did back Reker, and he decided to tackle Lemic head on. Reker to Lemic: "if it's war you want, then it's war." Reker came in for a lot of criticism for his actions. Vergoosen also reported that a few of the players, including Reis, where downright obstructive. Reis refused to take part in a youth tournament and also did not trust the PSV medical staff and removed a plaster cast himself (reminds me very much of the Leandro story, who was also a Lemic player.)
The outburst from Gomes was allegedly just the last escalation of that conflict, which brought everything to a head.
According to the article, the "coup attempt" has failed.
The supervisory board and the general manager have decided that Lemic is no longer welcome. Lemic and PSV have agreed not to comment, but it seems that he won't be around any more at PSV.
He is apparently now trying to sell Suljemani to Ajax (a Serbian striker currently playing at Heerenveen).
On two side notes (not from the article)
1. I've seen this guy Lemic at the training ground when I've been to see the training. Yes, he can be very charming, he is certainly fluent in many languages, and he does seem to have a special relationship with many of the players. I never worked out exactly what the relationship was. I actually thought he could have been related to one of the Brazilians (I only found out his name recently and only heard him speaking Spanish and Portuguese).
2. There is a separate announcement that the training ground will be renovated/modified. There will be no place for players representatives (including Lemic). The Technical director will also have his office in the stadium, and not at the training ground.
Looks like PSV want to have a much clearer demarcation between the players group practising, and the management of buying and selling players. Sounds like a good idea to me. If they want to talk business, do it away from the rest of the group.
My fear is of course that there will be consequences for the future of existing players at PSV: such as Aissati, Gomes, Fagner, Reis.....
Hope I've reported this reasonably neutrally, because I don't know any more than anyone else here what the real truth is. Only time will tell what was really going on and who was right.
update 20080602: Another skeleton out of the cupboard.
Harry van Raaij (ex general manager of PSV) states in the AD paper that the contractual clause regarding payments to ex-TD Valckx was misinterpreted.
translated quote from van Raaij:
"Look at this passage. It states that Valckx has a right to five percent of the NETT result of the transfer, that means the difference between the income and expenditure from players transfers. This is after taking off agents fees and the financial write down on the players contract. Example: If you buy a player for 100000 and he is written off in the book keeping for 600000, and you sell him for 100000, then you have a 60000 nett result if you haven't got any further costs. In the 3 years that the contract ran, the nett result in the transfer account was only positive in ONE year (1.387 million in the season 2005/2006. In the other two seasons the transfer account came out negative, meaning that PSV spent more on transfers than it earned. Valckx did not have any right to a bonus in these years. According to the contract, he should have actually received 5% of 1.387M or 65K euros, and not a bonus of 1.4Million."
end quote:
Start my comments:
Unbelievable that the financial control over such large sums of money would seem to be handled in such an amateuristic manner. Especially in a time when the club was searching for cash by re-mortgaging the stadium. But maybe this is all just noise in the paper and does not really reflect what happened and what was actually paid. None of us has seen the pay slips or the actual book keeping.
[Dit bericht is veranderd door 1991707312 (op 3 juni 2008 16:17:47).]
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SpursBoy
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Hi Guys
Remember me 
Just to let you know, we are signing Gomes very soon 
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stanislav
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If that is true (and I think it is) you will get a great goalkeeper. But when he wants to leave Tottenham he will cause troubles again, just like he did here.
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